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[MPLS]New comments and ideas for <draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02>

  • From: Ina Minei <ina@juniper.net>
  • Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
  • Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, "Amante, Shane" <shane.amante@level3.com>, IJsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com>, Bob Thomas <rhthomas@cisco.com>, lei.wang@telenor.com, lufang@cisco.com
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 	Thank you for the comments. The new revision of the draft will 
reflect this discussion.

 				Ina

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn wrote:

> Hi Ina:
>
> Thank you for your reply and comments.
>
> You are right, LDP error notification can handle the unknow TLV for LDP
> P2MP TLV.
>
> When not using capability TLV
> 1. If we use error notification to handle it, and when LSR receives the
> error notification with unknow tlv, then it does not send the mLDP mapping
> message. It is not explicitly expressing the error. I don't think its a
> nice processing for mLDP.
>
> When using capability TLV
> 1. If we don't use the above mechanism, and if the LSR don't know its
> neighbor does not support mLDP capability, it will continue sending mLDP
> mapping message to its neighbor, and many error notification messages will
> be continuely received for each P2MP LSP. If we use mLDP capability
> negotiation, then LSR will not send mLDP mapping message to its neighbor,
> and save many processings of LDP protocol messages.
>
> 2. For mLDP is very new, when deploying, there must be some LSRs that not
> supporting mLDP. Using mLDP capability TLV, it can be very easy to see
> what's wrong with this P2MP LSP, and can easily avoid P2MP LSP partially
> being set up.
>
> 3. If we use mLDP capability TLV, then mLDP can be very clearly co-existed
> with many other LDP capabilities, such as upstream label assigning
> capability. And the virtue of LDP capability TLV also has been described
> in [draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-capabilities-02].
>
> Thanks you very much.
>
>
> Best Regards
> Jin Lizhong
>
>
> ..............................................
> ZTE Corporation
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> ..............................................
>
>
>
>
> Ina Minei <ina@juniper.net>
> 2007-03-14 23:20
>
>        To:     jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn
>        cc:     LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN
> <jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com>, shane.amante@level3.com,
> lufang@cisco.com, hitoshi.fukuda@ntt.com, "zzx-Huji KAMITE
> y.kamite@nttt.com" <y.kamite@ntt.com>, kireeti@juniper.net,
> rhthomas@cisco.com, lei.wang@telenor.com, ice@cisco.com,
> mpls@lists.ietf.org
>        Subject:        RE: [MPLS]New comments and ideas for
> <draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02>
>
>
>
>                 Jin,
>
>                 What would the capability accomplish? If it is a way to
> enable
> error notification, then this is already available in LDP today. Is there
> any other functionality that would be accomplished by turning on the
> capability advertisement?
>
>                                                                 Ina
>
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn wrote:
>
>> Hi JL
>>
>> Thank you very much for your comments.
>>
>> Does any other guys think P2MP capability TVL is necessary?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Jin Lizhong
>>
>> ..............................................
>> Add:   No.68 Zijinghua Rd,Yuhuatai District,
>>       Nanjing. P.R.China.
>> Zip:   210012
>> Tel:   0086-13912967531
>> Mail:  jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn
>> ..............................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com>
>> 2007-03-08 18:16
>>
>>        To:     <jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn>, <shane.amante@level3.com>,
>> <lufang@cisco.com>, <hitoshi.fukuda@ntt.com>, "zzx-Huji KAMITE
>> y.kamite@nttt.com" <y.kamite@ntt.com>, <kireeti@juniper.net>,
>> <ina@juniper.net>, <rhthomas@cisco.com>, <lei.wang@telenor.com>,
>> <ice@cisco.com>, <mpls@lists.ietf.org>
>>        cc:
>>        Subject:        RE: New comments and ideas for
>> <draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jin,
>>
>> Procedures to advertise the P2MP capability should rely on encoding
> rules
>> and procedures defined in draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-capabilities-02.txt.
>> This simply requires defining a new capability parameter, the P2MP
>> capability, and requesting for a TLV code point.
>> Also note that v01 of draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-upstream (submitted last
> monday)
>> is now aligned with draft-thomas.
>>
>>> Second, in section 7.1.Protocol event, line 11, I think the word
> 'LSR-D'
>> should be 'LSR-U', it is misunderstanding in both the version 1 and 2
>> .
>> Actually this applies indifferently to LSR D and LSR U.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> JL
>>
>> De : jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn [mailto:jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn]
>> Envoyé : jeudi 8 mars 2007 10:28
>> À : shane.amante@level3.com; lufang@cisco.com;
> zzx-hitoshi.fukuda@ntt.com;
>> zzx-Huji KAMITE y.kamite@nttt.com; kireeti@juniper.net; ina@juniper.net;
>> LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; rhthomas@cisco.com;
> lei.wang@telenor.com;
>> ice@cisco.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
>> Objet : New comments and ideas for <draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02>
>>
>>
>> Dear all:
>>
>> I read the draft <draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02>, and have some comments
>> below. Thank you.
>>
>> First, it is very necessary to use the mLDP capability TLV to signal the
>> capability of LDP Session. Just like the capability described in
>> <draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-upstream-00>, using the capability TLV, it is quite
>> convenient to the trouble shooting. Without the capability TLV, if the
>> P2MP LSP does not set up successfully, one has to check the upstream
> LSR;
>> and if the upstream LSR does not show any information of P2MP LSP and
> FEC,
>> we can not figure whether the mapping message sent by the downstream LSR
>> is silently discarded by upstream LSR or lost during the transmission.
>>
>> Because the mLDP is very new, and many equipments that have been
> deployed
>> in the network do not support mLDP, then the scenario described above
> will
>> always happen when deploying. And this is only one of the scenarios for
>> capability TLV; it will be more useful and convenient for deploying
> mLDP.
>>
>> Following is the format of the mLDP Capability TLV, much like defined in
>> <draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-upstream-00>:
>>
>>       0                   1                   2                   3
>>       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>      |1|0| Capability TLV (TBD)      |      Length (= 4)             |
>>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>      |                        Sub-TLVs...                            |
>>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>
>> Following is the format of the mLDP Capability sub-TLV:
>>
>>       0                   1                   2                   3
>>       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>      |         mLDP Cap = 1          |      Length (= 4)             |
>>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>      |                        Reserved                               |
>>      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>
>> If a LSR includes the mLDP Capability sub-TLV in LDP Initialization
>> Messages it implies that the LSR is capable of processing both
>> distributing P2MP FEC Element and MP2MP FEC Element. Reserved bits MUST
> be
>> set to zero on transmission and MUST be ignored on receipt.
>>
>> Second, in section 7.1.Protocol event, line 11, I think the word 'LSR-D'
>> should be 'LSR-U', it is misunderstanding in both the version 1 and 2.
>>
>> Hope for your comments, thank you very much.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Jin Lizhong
>>
>> ..............................................
>> Add:   No.68 Zijinghua Rd,Yuhuatai District,
>>      Nanjing. P.R.China.
>> Zip:   210012
>> Tel:   0086-13912967531
>> Mail:  jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn
>> ..............................................
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