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[mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-00.txt

  • From: HeinerHummel@aol.com
  • Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:12:45 EST
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John,
 
I guess, it is not the task of the LSP to de-multiplex the received data at any particular leaf node of the mp2mp-LSP, although this needs to be done, too, however by some entity elsewhere. I think there are two alternatives wrt the mp2mp-LSP:
(1) n p2mp-LSPs
(2) n mp2p-LSPs.
 
Whereas mp2mp-LSP is a third and different solution and should be handled accordingly.
It is NOT a special p2mp-LSP, but I am afraid this is the view of the designers - for 2 reasons:
1: because all is designed in the light of upstream/downstream
2: it is not worth a separate draft, instead is like an appendix to section 2 which deals with the p2mp-LSP.
 
Heiner
 
 
In einer eMail vom 03.03.2006 15:05:03 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt John.Rutemiller@marconi.com:
A construct that has not been mentioned, but is useful in this discussion is mp2p.
 
Based on Neil's definition, mp2p is not a connection. This makes sense when you think about it. At the reciever, additional information is needed to identify the sender of each packet in order to recover the individual streams. So, mp2p is a multiplexing action which requires demultiplexing at the receiver.
 
This is useful to keep in mind when talking about mp2mp. A mp2mp construct is actually a combination of p2mp and mp2p.
 
From the point of view of the sender, mp2mp looks like a p2mp connection. In the MPLS world, any packet entering the network will take a fixed and known path to the recievers. Looking at only this behavior, mp2mp looks like a connection.
 
From the point of view of the receiver, mp2mp looks like mp2p. The receiver requires additional information in order to identify and recover the different traffic streams.
 
 
John
 
 


From: neil.2.harrison@bt.com [mailto:neil.2.harrison@bt.com]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:22 AM
To: HeinerHummel@aol.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: RE: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-00.txt

An observation.  There is no such construct as a mp2mp *connection*.....one can have any-any in a cl-ps mode network (precisely because there are no connections) but it is NOT possible to have mp2mp connections in either a co-ps or co-cs mode network.  This can be proved by an appeal to (Shannon) information theory.....but it would require a very lengthy explanation, especially wrt how labelling works (its not as simple as some folks might assume).
 
However, let me simply state here what the bottom-line conclusions/rules are:
A connection must:
- only have a single source
- only have connectivity of 1

....so only p2p and p2mp connection constructions are allowed.

Further, and consequential from the above:
- ordering of traffic units is preserved in a connection
- once created there is no routing choice available in a connection

A trail is 'the source to a specific-sink' relationship in these connection constructs.

regards, Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: HeinerHummel@aol.com [mailto:HeinerHummel@aol.com]
Sent: 02 March 2006 10:59
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-00.txt

Some critical notes wrt mp2mp LSP:

 

The terms upstream and downstream relate to the terms ingress and egress, but not to root (and three times not to root while keeping open whether the root is an ingress(+egress) at all).

 

The mp2mp LSP is supposed to be a mesh-less delivery channel which interconnects a specific set of leaf nodes such that at any junction traffic is forwarded to all other directions except the one from where it is received. This is my understanding about the mp2mp stream direction. The presented design with its upstreams and downstreams all over the place is fairly a sign of ossification, isn't it ?

 

Heiner Hummel



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