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Hi,
As might be recalled by those with long memories,
I am not happy about this I-D. Of course, if the WG has consensus I can only
register my voice as believing it is a bad idea, and sit back and watch the
fun.
I am disappointed that many of the comments
agreements made on the list in discussion of the -02 revision before it was last
called have not been addressed. Can anyone say why this is the case? Were we
supposed to re-hash all of the arguments during the last call
phase?
Specifically:
- The authors were supposed to answer why PathErr
with RRO could not be used.
- The chair was requested to pronounce as an
author of RFC3209 on the
correct expected behavior of an LSR
receiving a PathErr message.
- The authors were supposed to define hard
preemption including the protocol
behavior.
- There was agreement to write a clarification of
RFC 3209 with respect to
preemption and to take that to CCAMP for
alignment with GMPLS.
It is not my intention to get anyone to change
their implementations to match any interpretation of any RFC. All I want to see
is:
- specifications that match
implementation
- clear statements of procedures so that new
implementations can expect
to interoperate
- this new procedure designed sensibly and
functionally
- no artificial split between MPLS and
GMPLS.
Here are my detailed comments on the I-D. As
George has stressed that the last call is only applicable to the changes in the
I-D, the authors and chairs will have to decide which comments to
ignore.
A couple of high-level issues first:
1. You need to clarify that an ingress LSR that
sets the soft preemption desired flag SHOULD include an RRO in the Path message
it sends (and that if it doesn't it will not receive an alert).
2. You need to discuss the RRO too large
problem.
3. You need to resolve the fact that the only way
for any LSR to know that preemption is pending on an LSP is to scan the RRO.
This is too resource-intensive.
Adrian
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Internet Draft Matthew R. Meyer (Ed) Global Crossing Jean-Philippe Vasseur (Ed) Cisco Systems, Inc Denver Maddux Nitrous.net Curtis Villamizar Amir Birjandi Juniper Networks ## I believe you have too many authors listed. The chairs can tell ## you the rules. Proposed status: Standard
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This document details MPLS Traffic Engineering Soft Preemption,
a
suite of protocol modifications extending the concept of preemption with the goal of reducing/eliminating traffic disruption of preempted Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs). Initially MPLS RSVP-TE was defined supporting only immediate TE LSP displacement upon preemption. The utilization of a preemption pending flag helps more gracefully mitigate the re-route process of preempted TE LSP. For the brief period soft preemption is activated, reservations (though not necessarily traffic levels) are in effect under- provisioned until the TE LSP(s) can be re-routed. For this reason, the feature is primarily but not exclusively interesting in MPLS enabled IP networks with Differentiated Services and Traffic Engineering capabilities. Conventions used in this document
The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL
NOT",
"SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119 [i]. ## What does "[i]" mean? Table of Contents
1.
Terminology...............................................3
1.1 Acronyms and Abbreviations............................3 1.2 Nomenclature..........................................3 2. Motivations...............................................4 3. Introduction..............................................4 4. RSVP Extensions...........................................5 4.1 SESSION-ATTRIBUTE Flags...............................5 4.2 RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object Flags........................5 4.3 Use of the RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object in Path message...5 5. Theory of Operation.......................................6 6. Elements Of Procedures....................................7 6.1 On a soft preempting LSR..............................7 6.2 On Head-end LSR of soft preempted TE LSP..............8 7. Interoperability..........................................9 8. Management................................................10 9. IANA Considerations.......................................10 10. Security considerations..................................10 11. Acknowledgment...........................................10 12. Intellectual Property Considerations.....................10 13. References...............................................11 13.1 Normative references.................................11 13.2 Informative references...............................11 14. Authors' Addresses.......................................12 Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 2] draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-06.txt
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1. Terminology This document follows the nomenclature of the MPLS
Architecture
defined in [MPLS-ARCH]. 1.1 Acronyms and Abbreviations
CSPF
Constraint-based Shortest Path First.
DS Differentiated Services LER Label Edge Router LSR Label Switching Router LSP Label Switched Path MPLS MultiProtocol Label Switching PPend Preemption Pending RSVP Resource ReSerVation Protocol TE Traffic Engineering TE LSP Traffic Engineering Label Switched Path 1.2 Nomenclature
Make Before Break - Technique used to non-intrusively alter the
path
of a TE LSP. The ingress LER first signals the new path, sharing the bandwidth with the primary TE LSP (to avoid double booking), then switches forwarding over to a new path. Finally the old path state is torn down. Numerically Lower Preemption Priority - TE LSPs have setup and
hold
preemption priorities of zero (best) through seven (worst). A numerically lower setup priority TE LSP is capable of preempting a numerically higher hold priority TE LSP. Preemption Pending flag - This flag is set on an IPv4 or IPv6
RSVP
Resv RRO sub-object to signal to the TE LSP ingress LER that the TE LSP is about to be preempted and must be re-signaled (in a non disruptive fashion, with make before break) along another path. If present in the Path RRO, it is used to alert downstream LSRs that the LSP was soft preempted upstream. Point of Preemption - the midpoint or ingress LSR which due to
RSVP
provisioning levels is forced to either hard preempt or under- provision and signal soft preemption. ## In theory preemption can also happen on the egress LSR. It is a ## function of how and where you account resources. It does not seem ## necessary to restrict this definition to exclude the egress. ## Note that there seems little point in defining this term because
## the rest of the document uses four or five different terms to ## refer to this concept. Hard Preemption - The (typically default) preemption process in
which
higher numeric priority TE LSPs are intrusively displaced at the point of preemption by lower numeric priority TE LSPs. In hard preemption the TE LSP is torn down before reestablishment. ## This definition covers two unrelated points. Intrusive displacement ## of an LSP relates to the hardware state at the point of preemption. ## LSP teardown relates to the signaling state and hardware state at ## other LSRs. The is no reason why make-before-break should not be ## used to re-route an LSP that has been hard preempted, and there ## are many good reasons for using that process (hint: these reasons ## are not associated with protecting the traffic flow which has already ## been impacted. ## Note that there is no meaning to "typically default". Something is
## either the default or not. If you have a configurable default, then ## there is no statement you can make on the likely setting. Soft Preemption - The preemption process in which the point
of
preemption allows a brief under-provisioning period while the ingress ## "brief" is somewhat subjective. Can you quantify? Meyer, Vasseur et
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router is alerted to the requirement for reroute. In soft preemption the TE LSP is reestablished before being torn down. ## Amusing concept :-) ## Perhaps you mean that "an attempt is made to establish a new LSP on a ## different path using make-before-break before the old LSP is torn ## down." ## I notice that your hard and soft preemption definitions are only
truly
## definitive about the data plane behavior at the point preemption. They ## do not describe the signaling behavior, nor the data plane behavior at ## other LSRs. Although you can defer this discussion for soft preemption ## because these are new procedures that you are defining, you cannot defer ## it for hard preemption which you claim is the default. You must describe ## what it is and how it works. Soft Preemption Desired Flag - This flag is set on the
SESSION_ATTRIBUTES Flags in the Path message for the TE LSP indicate ## "to indicate"? to LSRs along the path that, should the LSP need to be preempted, soft preemption should be used if supported. 2. Motivations
Initially MPLS RSVP-TE [RSVP-TE] was defined supporting only
one
method of TE LSP preemption which immediately tears down TE LSPs, ## You cannot say this unless you can quote the text. I do not ## believe you can do that. ## There is absolutely no reference to the data plane state on ## preemption in RFC3209. ## You may want to say that it was the intention of the authors. You ## may want to say that this is what everyone has implemented. I cannot ## comment on the veracity of those two statements. ## But you cannot say that this is what RFC3209 says, because that is ## not true. disregarding the preempted in-transit traffic. This simple but
abrupt
process nearly guarantees preempted traffic will be discarded, if ## "nearly guarantees"? Are you saying that preempted traffic is
## actually not discarded? only briefly, until the RSVP Path Error message reaches and
is
processed by the ingress LER and a new forwarding path can be established. In cases of actual resource contention this might be helpful, however preemption may be triggered by mere reservation contention and reservations may not reflect forwarding plane contention up to the moment. The result is that when conditions that promote preemption exist and hard preemption is the default behavior, inferior priority preempted traffic may be needlessly discarded when sufficient bandwidth exists for both the preempted LSP and the preempting TE LSP(s). ## You appear to be drawing a direct link between LSP priorities and ## traffic priorities. This seems broken. Traffic priority may be ## irrelevant, but traffic importance could be quite relevant. Hard preemption may be a requirement to protect numerically
lower
preemption priority traffic in a non Diff-Serv enabled architecture, but in a Diff-Serv enabled architecture, one need not rely exclusively upon preemption to enforce a preference for the most valued traffic since the marking and queuing disciplines should already be aligned for those purposes. Moreover, even in non Diff- Serv aware networks, depending on the TE LSP sizing rules (imagine all LSPs are sized at double their observed traffic level), reservation contention may not accurately reflect the potential for forwarding plane congestion. ## No. It does accurately reflect the *potential* for forwarding ## plane congestion. It might not reflect the actual forwarding plane ## congestion. 3. Introduction
In an MPLS RSVP-TE [RSVP-TE] enabled IP network, hard preemption
is
the default behavior. ## Saying it again doesn't make it any truer. ## Hard preemption is a data plane behavior according to your definition. ## But RFC3209 does not describe the data plane behavior appart from how ## reservations are handled. So you cannot say that this is the default ## behavior and cite the specification. Perhaps you want to say that this ## is waht everyone has implemented, but I can't comment on that. Hard preemption provides no mechanism to allow
preempted TE LSPs to be handled in a make-before-break fashion: the hard preemption scheme instead utilizes a very intrusive method that can cause traffic disruption for a potentially large amount of TE LSPs. Without an alternative, network operators either accept
this
limitation, or remove functionality by using only one preemption priority or using invalid bandwidth reservation values. ## These are the only options? What about testing paths to see if they ## are practical or would cause preemption? Understandably desirable features like ingress LER automated
TE
reservation adjustments are less palatable when preemption is intrusive and high network stability levels are a concern. Meyer, Vasseur et
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This document defines the use of additional signaling and maintenance mechanisms to alert the ingress LER of the preemption that is pending and allow for temporary under-provisioning while the preempted tunnel is re-routed in a non disruptive fashion (make-before-break) by the ingress LER. During the period that the tunnel is being re-routed, link capacity is under-provisioned on the midpoint where preemption initiated and potentially one or more links upstream along the path ## "was initiated and potentially on one or more" ## Can you tell me whether underprovisioning happens on an LSR ("the
## midpoint where preemption was initiated") or on a link? Your text ## appears confused on this issue. ## Presumably it really happens at a link end. That is, on an LSR, but ## associated with a link. (Which is good, because that is what we ## advertise in the TE IGPs.) where other soft preemptions may have occurred. Optionally
the
downstream path to the egress LER may be signaled ## "the path may be signaled"? Do you mean "alerted"? as well to more
efficiently deal with any near simultaneous soft preemptions that may have been triggered downstream of the initial preemption. ## Is this right? If another soft preemption has already been triggered ## at a downstream LSR then it is too late to take the new preemption ## into account. Perhaps you mean future preemptions? This seems to be ## what you say in section 4.3. ## And is "near simultaneous" relevant? Surely any time during the ## period between initial preemption and re-routing (or conversion to ## hard preemption) is valid. 4. RSVP Extensions
4.1 SESSION-ATTRIBUTE Flags
To explicitly signal the desire for a TE LSP to benefit from the
soft
## s/benefit from/use/ preemption mechanism (and so not to be hard preempted if the soft preemption mechanism is available), the following flag of the SESSION-ATTRIBUTE object (for both the C-Type 1 and 7) is defined: Soft preemption desired: 0x40 (to be confirmed by
IANA)
## IANA does not manage the Sesion Attributes flags. ## You need to add a request to your IANA section to get them to add a ## new registry. You may want to compare with section 11.4 of ## draft-ietf-mpls-rsvpte-attributes-05.txt 4.2 RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object Flags
To report that a soft preemption is pending for an LSP, a new flag
is
defined in the IPv4/IPv6 sub-object carried in the RRO object message defined in [RSVP-TE]. This flag is called the preemption pending (PPend) flag. A compliant LSR MUST support the RRO object, as defined in [RSVP-TE]. Several flags in the RRO IPv4 and IPv6 sub-object have been
defined
in [RSVP-TE]and [FAST-REROUTE]: ## Missing space ## Why does line end with a colon. Is there missing text? This documents defines a new flag for the use of soft
preemption
named the 'Preemption pending' flag and defined as below: Preemption pending: 0x10
The preempting node sets this flag if a pending preemption is
in
progress for the TE LSP. This indicates to the ingress LER of this LSP that it SHOULD be re-routed. ## Don't you think that IANA should manage these flags, too?
4.3 Use of the RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object in Path message
## This section is in the wrong place. It belongs in section 6. An LSR MAY use the Preemption pending flag in the IPv4/IPv6 RRO
sub-
object carried in a PATH RRO message to simultaneously alert downstream LSRs that the LSP was soft preempted upstream. This information could be used by the downstream LSR to bias future soft Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 5] draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-06.txt
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preemption candidates toward LSPs already soft preempted elsewhere in their path. ## This is exactly the sort of function you might want to apply if the ## LSP had been hard preempted, but it is unclear that biasing in the ## case of soft preemption has any value. It will not have any result ## on the traffic because the preemption is soft. It will not have any ## result on the number of path computations because the preempted LSP ## has already been told and and is busy being re-routed. ## So what is the value of alerting the downstream LSRs during soft ## preemption? 5. Theory of Operation
Let's consider the following example:
R0--1G--R1---155----R2
LSP1:
LSP2:
| \ | | \ 155 R0-->R1 R1<--R2 | \ | \ | 155 1G R3 V V | \ | R5 R4 | \ 155 | \| R4----1G----R5
Figure 1: example of Soft Preemption Operation
In the network depicted above in figure 1, consider the
following
conditions: -Reservable BW on R0-R1, R1-R5 and R4-R5 is 1Gb/sec.
-Reservable BW on R1-R2, R1-R4, R2-R3, R3-R5 is 155 Mb/sec. -Bandwidths and costs are identical in both directions. -Each circuit has an IGP metric of 10 and IGP metric is used by CSPF. ## Curious. We might have expected it to use the TE metric. -Two TE tunnels are defined: - LSP1: 155 Mb, setup/hold priority 0 tunnel, path R0-R1-R5. - LSP2: 155 Mb, setup/hold priority 7 tunnel, path R2-R1-R4. Both TE LSPs are signaled with the soft preemption desired bit of their SESSION-ATTRIBUTE object set. -Circuit R1-R5 fails. ## Is this a circuit? Surely it is a link. -Soft Preemption is functional. ## What does this mean? When the circuit R1-R5 fails, R1 detects the failure and sends
an
## Again, not a "circuit". updated IGP LSA/LSP and Path Error message to all the head-end LSRs ## It is not right to talk about sending IGP updates "to all the head-end ## LSRs. Although in this example the two head-end LSRs happen to be ## adjacent to the node that detects the failure, this is not generally ## the case. IGP updates are flooded. having a TE LSP traversing the failed link (R0 in the example above). Either form of notification may arrive at the head-end LSRs first. Upon receiving the link failure notification, R0 triggers a TE LSP re-route of LSP1, and re-signals LSP1 along shortest path available satisfying the TE LSP constraints: R0-R1-R4-R5 path. The Resv messages for LSP1 travel in the upstream direction (from the destination to the head-end LSR - R5 to R0 in this example). LSP2 is soft preempted at R1 as it has a numerically lower priority value and both bandwidth reservations cannot be satisfied on the R1-R4 link. ## Tucked away in this paragraph is the fact that preemption happens ## when processing the Resv. Although this may be "obvious" it is not ## stated in RFC 3209. You should bring this point out as part of the ## introduction. ## You are also making a hidden statement that preemption only applies ## on the upstream link end. There is no evidence for this except ## the limitations of current implementations. So you should qualify ## your example with the implementation conditions that you are assuming ## (in this case you are assuming no physical reservations on incoming ## interfaces or LSRs associated with downstream link ends). Instead of sending a path tear for LSP2 upon preemption as with
hard
## s/path tear/Path Tear/
preemption (which would result in an immediate traffic disruption
for
## I'm sorry? Where does it say that a R1 sends a Path Tear during
hard
## preemption? Can you give me the reference in RFC 3209? I think you'll ## find that RFC 3209 says... ## A ResvErr and/or PathErr with the code "Policy ## Control failure" SHOULD be sent toward the downstream receivers and ## upstream senders. LSP2), R1s local bandwidth accounting for LSP2 is zeroed and
a
preemption pending flagged Resv RRO for LSP2 is issued. Optionally, Meyer, Vasseur et
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R1 MAY simultaneously send a soft preemption flagged Path RRO notifying downstream LSRs of LSP2s soft preemption. Upon reception of the LSP2's Resv message with the preemption
pending
flag set, R2 may update the working copy of the TE-DB before running CSPF for the new LSP. ## Let me see if I have this right. The only indication that soft
preemption
## is taking place is found in a bit embedded in the RRO. So, if I have a ## long path and label recording etc., I must parse the entire RRO to find ## out if soft preemption is taking place (note that finding out *where* ## soft preemption has happened is different from finding out *if* soft ## preemption has happened). This is not very efficient. Why can't you ## flag the error condition with (for example) an error code/value. ## Oh, but then you'd have to use the existing mechanisms for reporting ## preemption (viz. PathErr). ## And so... ## Why don't you use PathErr? There is no requirement to use Resv for ## this function. (And before you ask: yes, RRO is carried on PathErr.) ## There seems to be no reason to change the semanitcs of a Resv and to ## try to carry hidden state information within it. ## But if you MUST use the Resv (no reason having been shown why you do) ## can you please be explicit about the information it carries instead of ## hiding it. Use a real flag that says what has happened rather than ## allow the existing contradiction: ## - the Resv carries FilterSpec information that says that a specific ## reservtion is in place within the network, but we know this is ## no longer true ## - there are plenty of established ways to carry and report LSP ## state information that you could use. ## ## Note that TE-DB has not been defined (and should read TED for ## consistency with other I-Ds). In the case that Diff-Serv [DIFF-MPLS] and TE
[RSVP-TE] are deployed, receiving preemption pending may imply to a head-end LSR that the available bandwidth for the affected priority level and numerically greater priority levels has been exhausted for the indicated node interface. R2 may choose to reduce or zero available bandwidth for the implied priority range until more accurate information is available (i.e. a new IGP TE update is received). ## You are saying that information carried in a signaling message ## may be taken to override the information flooded by the IGP ## until such time that the information flooded by the IGP is more ## accurate. This type of statement is dangerous. ## 1. We have only one mechanism for flooding TE link state. If this ## mechanism is inadequate, we should work to improve it, not ## invent a new mechanism. ## 2. It is best to try to keep the link state information ## consistent on all nodes. Your proposal breaks this specifically ## for the ingress of preempted LSRs but for no other nodes. ## 3. The preemption alert does not indicate that the available b/w ## at the affected priority level and numerically greater priority ## levels has been exhausted. In fact, the result of the preemption ## may be that there is *more* bandwidth available at the holding ## priority of the preempted LSP. It follows that R2 re-computes a new path and performs a non
traffic
## "It follows that"? Is there some implication that this step is a ## consequence of the previous paragraph? disruptive rerouting of the new TE LSP T2 by means of the make- before-break procedure. The old path is then torn down. 6. Elements Of Procedures
6.1 On a soft preempting LSR
When a new TE LSP is signaled which requires to preempt a set of
TE
LSP(s) because not all TE LSPs can be accommodated on a specific interface, a node triggers a preemption action which consists of selecting the set of TE LSPs that must be preempted so as to free up some bandwidth in order to satisfy the newly signaled numerically lower preemption TE LSP. For each preempted TE LSP, instead of sending a path tear upon
## s/path tear/Path Tear/ preemption as with hard preemption (which would result in an ## As before, Path Tear is not part of the previously specified ## preemption techniques. If you wish to redefine (or define from ## scratch) the procedures for hard preemption then please do so, ## but don't do so by inference. immediate traffic disruption for the preempted TE LSP),
the
preempting node's local bandwidth accounting for the preempted TE LSP is zeroed and a preemption pending flagged Resv RRO for that TE LSP is issued upstream toward the head-end LSR. Optionally, the preempting node MAY simultaneously send a
soft
preemption flagged Path RRO notifying downstream LSRs of soft preemption. If more than one soft preempted TE LSP has the same head-end LSR, these soft preemption Resv (Path) messages may be bundled together. ## Bundle is a hop by hop message. Therefore bundling depends only ## on the next hop and not on the shared head-end. Worse (!) the ## question of whether the head-end is shared could never be relevant ## to whether you bundle the Path messages. The preempting node MUST immediately send a Resv message with
the
preemption pending RRO flag set for each soft preempted TE LSP. ## You have already said this a few lines earlier (although with less ## force). The node MAY use the occurrence of soft preemption to trigger an immediate IGP update or influence the scheduling of an IGP update. ## Is this changed behavior? I don't think so. IGP updates can be ## triggered according to changes in available bandwdith on a link. ## This is what happens during soft preemption. Should a refresh event for a soft preempted TE LSP arrive before
the
soft preemption timer expires, the soft preempting node MUST continue to refresh the TE LSP. ## In what sense does a refresh event "arrive"? Do you mean the receipt ## of a Path or Resv refresh message? ## This is the first mention of the "soft preemption timer" so the ## paragraph is not very clear or helpful. ## By "continue to refresh the TE LSP" I assume you mean send refresh ## messages using the RRO containing soft preemption flags. Perhaps ## you could make this clear. Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 7] draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-06.txt
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When the MESSAGE-ID extensions defined in [REFRESH-REDUCTION]
are
available, Resv messages with the RRO preemption pending flag set SHOULD be sent in reliable mode. ## This means that each LSR (upstream and downstream) SHOULD examine ## the contents of the RRO on all received trigger Path and Resv ## messages to determine whether they SHOULD use Message-ID. ## That doesn't scale well. Why don't you have a single flag to ## indicate soft preemption is in progress? In the case that reservation availability is restored at the point
of
preemption, the point of preemption MAY issue a Resv message with the preemption pending flag unset to signal restoration to the head-end LSR. This implies that a head-end LSR might have delayed or been unsuccessful in re-signaling. ## Note that this is only *its* preemption pending flag in the RRO. Not ## all preemption pending flags. ## Presumably it would also send a Path message with updated RRO if it ## had previously added a preemption pending flag to a Path message that ## it had said. perhaps you could say so. To guard against a situation where bandwidth under-provisioning
will
last forever, a local timer (named the "Soft preemption timer") MUST be started on the preemption node, upon soft preemption. If this ## s/preemption node/point of preemption/ timer expires, the preempting node SHOULD send a PathTear and either ## s/preempting node/point of preemption/ a ResvTear or a PathErr with the 'Path_State_Removed' flag set. ## 1. Why not revert to RFC 3209 behavior? ## 2. What error code/value should be used? ## 3. Why do you force the Path_State_Removed flag to be set? Doesn't ## this limit the behavior in PSC GMPLS networks? In particular, ## if the point of preemption is an MPLS LSR, but further upstream ## you have GMPLS LSRs, this will result in stale Path state and ## reservations on the intervening MPLS LSRs since you will never ## receive a PathTear from the ingress but the MPLS LSRs will ## ignore the Path_State_Removed flag. ## 4. Note that the definition of the Path_State_Removed flag is ## found in RFC3473 so you need to add a reference. ## Shouldn't this subsequent text be a subsection?
Selection of the preempted TE LSP at a preempting mid-point: when a numerically lower priority TE LSP is signaled that requires the preemption of a set of numerically higher priority LSPs, the node where preemption is to occur has to make a decision on the set of TE ## s/node where preemption is to occur/point of preemption/ LSP(s), candidates for preemption. This decision is a local decision and various algorithms can be used, depending on the objective. See [PREEMPT-EXP]. ## I don't think you should reference an expired I-D. Also note that ## since the IETF "does not do algorithms" it may be unlikely that ## the reference I-D will ever progress. ## You should, however, perhaps add that the decision is a Policy ## decision and that it may be influenced by information in the ## Policy object. As already mentioned, soft preemption causes a temporary link under provisioning condition while the soft preempted TE LSPs are rerouted by their respective head-end LSRs. In order to reduce this under provisioning exposure, a soft-preempting LSR MAY check first if there exists soft preempt-able TE LSP bandwidth flagged PPend by another node but still available for soft-preemption locally. ## Again, in order to achieve this the LSR has to parse all received ## RROs. If sufficient overlap bandwidth exists the LSR MAY attempt to soft preempt the same LSP. This would help reducing the ## s/reducing/to reduce/ temporarily elevated under-provisioning ratio on the links where soft preemption occurs and the number of preempted TE LSPs. ## We may assume that if the preemption point knows about another soft ## preempted LSP, the ingress of that LSP will know about its preemption ## casued at some other premption point before it knows about the ## preemption caused by this preemption point. In that case, it will ## already have started make-before-break. Thus the new preemption of the ## same LSP will at best make no difference (it may actually complicate ## matters for the ingress that was trying to do make-before-break ## using the interface on which the new preemption occurs. This does ## not reduce the number of preempted LSPs since the make-before-break ## operation creates a new LSP. ## I think the case you are trying to cover is subtly more restricted. ## In the network A-B-C-D, if LSP1 preempts LSP2 at C, and preemption ## is also needed at B, you would like: ## - to preempt the same LSP (LSP2) ## - only notify A of the preemption once. ## This goal is admirable, but will require you to actually write down ## the procedures. ## The next paragraph seems to overlap with the former because the
## upstream/downstream LSRs described will actually be the points of ## preemption in the previous paragraph. Optionally, a midpoint LSR upstream or downstream from a soft preempting node MAY choose to flag the LSPs soft preempted state. In the event a local preemption is needed, the relevant priority level LSPs from the cache are soft preempted first, followed by the normal soft and hard preemption selection process for the given priority. ## Let us consider a netwrok A-B-C-D-E. LSP1 exists from A to E. We
## are trying to set up LSP2 from A to E. ## Suppose preemption is needed at D. D will send two messages ## upstream to C. ## a. Resv update for LSP1 showing preemption at D. ## b. Resv for LSP2 showing successful reservation. ## Which happens first? ## Let us assume b. before a. In this case, the new Resv for LSP2 ## is processed at C without the knowledge that any preemption was ## performed at D. C may, therefore choose any other LSP and preempt ## it. This is clearly not the process you want to achieve. Further, ## in this case, C might preempt LSP1 anyway and would send two ## messages to B ## b'. Resv for LSP2 ## a'. Resv for LSP1 showing preemption at C ## C would then receive message a. (preemption at D on LSP1) and ## would have to send another Resv at once. For a long sequence of ## LSRs you might end up with quite a flurry of Resv messages ## arriving at the ingress. ## So, you must mean that a. is sent before b. In this case, C ## receives the updated Resv for LSP1, flags its local state and ## forwards the trigger Resv at once (following the rules of RFC2205). ## It then gets the Resv for LSP2 and can decide to preempt the same ## LSP (LSP1). This causes it to send messages a' and b'. So B ## sees two Resv messages for LSP1 followed by one for LSP2. ## ## The second sequence enables your optimal preemption but it still ## causes a flurry of Resv messages. Worse: the flurry of messages is ## such that the ingress hears about the first preemption (furthest ## downstream) and starts to do make-before-break (see the next section) ## before it hears about the second preemption. it may then need to ## abort the first make-before-break and start a new one. And then it ## hears about the next preemption, etc. ## ## So it seems to me that you need to: ## 1. Specify the order of transmission of the messages in order to ## achieve the function you want. ## 2. RECOMMEND a change in RFC2205/3209 behavior so that trigger ## Resv messages are not immediately forwarded upstream if their ## only change is the setting of a preemption pending flag in the ## RRO. ## 3. Suggest that the ingress LSR SHOULD pause on receiving a ## preemption pending Resv before starting make-before-break to ## see if any further information about the LSP will be received. ## The length of such a pause might be around five seconds. Under specific circumstances such as unacceptable link congestion,
a
node MAY decide to hard preempt a TE LSP (by sending a PathTear and either a ResvTear or a PathErr with the 'Path_State_Removed' flag ## Yup. Here you have it again. I think you need to write a section to ## describe this *new* hard preemption procedure. set) even if its head-end LSR explicitly requested 'soft preemption' ('Soft Preemption desired' flag of the corresponding SESSION- ATTRIBUTE object set). Note that such decision MAY also be taken for TE LSPs under soft preemption state. ## This section should also discuss preemption holding times that are
## necessary to dampen flapping networks. These can only be recommended ## not enforced, but they should still be covered. 6.2 On Head-end LSR of soft preempted TE LSP
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Upon reception of a Resv message with the preemption pending flag set, the head-end LSR MAY first update the working copy of the TE-DB before computing a new path (e.g by running CSPF) for the new LSP. In ## Here again you have the TE-DB (TED?) being updated by the information ## in a signaling message. There are two issues with this: ## 1. It is wrong to do this. ## 2. We may find that the IPR claim applied to loose-path-reoptimization ## will be applied here (although I, of course, have no opinion on ## this issue). ## Why is it not enough to say that the new path will computed using ## exclusions? the case that Diff-Serv [DIFF-MPLS] and MPLS Traffic Engineering [RSVP-TE] are deployed, receiving preemption pending may imply to a head-end LSR that the available bandwidth for the affected priority level and numerically greater priority levels has been exhausted for the indicated node interface. A head-end LSR MAY choose to reduce or zero available bandwidth for the implied priority range until more accurate information is available (i.e. a new IGP TE update is received). ## This text is identical to that appearing in a previous section and ## so my comments from there apply here, too. No such implication can ## be drawn. Once a new path has been computed, the soft preempted TE LSP
is
rerouted using the non traffic disruptive make-before-break procedure. As a result of soft preemption, no traffic will be needlessly
black
holed due to mere reservation contention. If loss is to occur, it will be due only to an actual traffic congestion scenario and according to the operators Diff-Serv (if Diff-Serv is deployed) and queuing scheme. ## And that loss will not constitute black-holing? Oh, perhaps it will ## be "needful" black-holing? Could you cut out the motive sales blurb ## and just wrtie what happens? 7. Interoperability
Backward compatibility should be assured as long as the
implementation followed the recommendations set forth in [RSVP-TE]. When processing an RRO, unrecognized sub-objects SHOULD be ignored ## Why is there a reference to unrecognized sub-objects? This was ## raised as a WG last call comment. and passed on. An LSR without soft preemption capabilities but that followed the aforementioned recommendation will simply ignore the RRO Preemption Pending flag and treat the Resv message as a regular Resv refresh message. As a consequence, the soft preempted TE LSP will not be rerouted with make before break by the head-end LSR. ## You have mixed up legacy transit nodes with legacy ingress nodes. ## The implication of what you write is that your procedures do not ## apply if there is any legacy transit node. You intend to say ## that a legacy transit node will not impact the procedures if the ## point of preemption and the ingress support the new procedures. ## However (you intend to say) if the ingress does not support the ## procedures it will ignore the received flag and not to make-before- ## break. ## There is something missing here, however. In order that a Resv is ## recognized as a trigger and forwarded upstream, the receiver must ## compare the new objects with the previously received objects. If ## a new flag is set, it is quite possible that this will not be ## recognized as a change in the RRO and no action will follow. Thus ## you need some other change that will cause the trigger to be noticed. As mentioned previously, to guard against a situation where
bandwidth
under-provisioning will last forever, a local timer (soft preemption timer) MUST be started on the preemption node, upon soft preemption. When this timer expires, the soft preempted TE LSP SHOULD be hard preempted by sending a PathTear and either a ResvTear or a PathErr with the 'Path_State_Removed' flag set. This timer SHOULD be configurable and a default value of 30 seconds is RECOMMENDED. ## Thirty seconds represents a lot of lost data. It is RECOMMENDED that configuring the default preemption timer to
0
will cause the implementation to use hard-preemption. ## This description of the soft preemption timer is out of place. Move ## the text to section 6.1 and just reference it here to say that the ## timer protects you against an ingress that ignores the flag. Soft Preemption as defined in this document is designed for use
in
MPLS RSVP-TE enabled IP Networks and may not functionally translate to some GMPLS technologies. As with backward compatibility, if a device does not recognize a flag, it should pass the subobject transparently. ## So what is this paragraph saying? ## Is it saying that GMPLS soft preemption is a different thing in ## some switching technologies, or that there is no such thing as ## soft preemption in some switching technologies? ## How does soft preemption work in a GMPLS technology where the ## term is identical (that is, in a PSC network)? Are you requiring ## a change to GMPLS as currently implemented and deployed? ## We must ensure correct interworking of MPLS-TE and GMPLS LSRs. Meyer, Vasseur et
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8. Management Both the point of preemption and the ingress LER SHOULD provide
some
form of accounting internally and to the network operator interface with regard to which TE LSPs and how much capacity is under- provisioned due to soft preemption. Displays of under-provisioning are recommended for the
following
midpoint, ingress and egress views: - Sum of current bandwidth per preemption priority per local interface - Sum of current bandwidth total per local interface - Sum of current bandwidth total local router (ingress, egress, midpoint) - List current LSPs and bandwidth in PPend status - List current sum bandwidth and session count in PPend status per observed ERO hops (ingress, egress views only). - Cumulative PPend events per observed ERO hops. ## You might also talk about configurable options wrt preemption.
9. IANA Considerations
IANA [RFC-IANA] will not need to create a new registry. This
document
requires the assignment of flags related to RFC3209 [RSVP-TE] sections 4.1.1.1, 4.1.1.2, 4.7.1 and 4.7.2. IANA will assign RRO IPv4/IPv6 sub-object flags defined in
RFC3209
[RSVP-TE] sec 4.1.1.1 and 4.1.1.2 as detailed in section 4.2 of this document. ## IANA does not currently have a registry for this flag IANA will assign session attribute flags for both the C-Type 1 and
7
(defined in RFC3209 [RSVP-TE] sec 4.7.1 and 4.7.2) as detailed in section 4.1 of this document. ## IANA does not currently have a registry for this flag 10. Security Considerations
This document does not introduce new security issues. The
security
considerations pertaining to the original RSVP protocol [RSVP] remain relevant. ## You should at least reference RFC 3209 since it has additional
## security notes above RFC 2205. ## But is this all you want to say? Preemption allows one user to
## impact the service provided to other users. By repeatedly firing ## off new LSP requests on different paths (and then tearing them ## down and firing off new requests) a user may stay within his ## service agreement (only one high-capacity high setup priority LSP ## at once) but still cause chaos in the network. Don't you think ## you should comment on this? 11. Acknowledgment
The authors would like to thank Carol Iturralde, Dave Cooper,
Loa
Andersson, Arthi Ayyangar, Ina Minei and George Swallow for their valuable comments. 12. Intellectual Property Considerations
The IETF takes no position regarding the validity or scope of
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copyrights, patents or patent applications, or other proprietary rights that may cover technology that may be required to implement this standard. Please address the information to the IETF at ietf- ipr@ietf.org. 13. References
13.1 Normative references
[RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to
Indicate
Requirement Levels," RFC 2119. [RFC-IANA] T. Narten and H. Alvestrand, "Guidelines for Writing
an
IANA Considerations Section in RFCs", RFC 2434. [MPLS-ARCH] Rosen, Viswanathan, Callon, "Multiprotocol
Label
Switching Architecture", RFC3031, January 2001. [RSVP] R. Braden, Ed., et al, "Resource ReSerVation protocol (RSVP)
-
version 1 functional specification," RFC2205, September 1997. [RSVP-TE] Awduche et al, "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for
LSP
Tunnels", RFC3209, December 2001. 13.2 Informative references
## This reference is normative because the procedures SHOULD be
used.
[REFRESH-REDUCTION] Berger et al, "RSVP Refresh Overhead Reduction Extensions", RFC 2961, April 2001. [FAST-REROUTE] P. Pan, Ed., G. Swallow, Ed., A. Atlas, Ed et
al.,
"Fast Reroute Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels", RFC 4090, May 2005. ## I think the I-D has expired.
[PREEMPT-EXP]De Oliveira, J., Vasseur, JP., Chen, L. and Scoglio, C., "LSP Preemption Policies for MPLS Traffic Engineering", daft-deoliviera-diff-te-preemption-02.txt, October 2003. Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 11] draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-06.txt
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[DIFF-MPLS] Le Faucheur, F., Wu, L., Davie, B., Davari,
S.,
Vaananen, P., Krishnan, R., Cheval, P. and J. Heinanen, "Multi- Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Support of Differentiated Services", RFC 3270, May 2002. 14. Authors' Addresses Matthew R. Meyer
Global Crossing 3133 Indian Valley Tr. Howell, MI 48855 USA email: mrm@gblx.net, matthew.r.meyer@gmail.com Jean-Philippe Vasseur
CISCO Systems, Inc. 300 Beaver Brook Boxborough, MA 01719 USA Email: jpv@cisco.com Amir Birjandi
Juniper Networks 2251 corporate park dr ste herndon, VA 20171 USA abirjandi@juniper.net Full Copyright Statement Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). This document is
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